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January 08, 2019

Turkey Rejects New U.S. Syria Plan – Humiliates John Bolton

On Sunday Nationwide Safety Advisor John Bolton tried to set circumstances for a U.S. retreat from Syria:

Bolton, on a visit to Israel and Turkey, stated he would stress in talks with Turkish officers, together with President Tayyip Erdogan, that Kurdish forces have to be protected.

Requested whether or not a U.S. withdrawal wouldn’t happen in Syria till Turkey assured the Kurdish fighters can be protected, Bolton stated: “Basically, that’s right.”

“We don’t assume the Turks should undertake army motion that’s not absolutely coordinated with and agreed to by the USA at a minimal,” Bolton stated, “so they don’t endanger our troops, but also so that they meet the president’s requirement that the Syrian opposition forces that have fought with us are not endangered.”

Turkey was not amused. The YPG Kurds, which the U.S. makes use of in Syria as cannon fodder to battle the Islamic State, are the identical group because the PKK which acts as a terrorist group in Turkey. Turkey cannot permit that group to exist on its border as an organized army drive.

When Bolton landed in Turkey right now he acquired a really chilly welcome. The deliberate assembly with the Turkish President Erdogan didn’t happen. The assembly John Bolton, Joint Chief of Employees Joe Dunford and Syria envoy James Jeffrey held with the Turkish Nationwide Safety Advisor Ibrahim Kalin was downgraded and took lower than two hours. A deliberate joint press convention was canceled.

The U.S. delegation didn’t look completely happy, and even united, when it left the presidential compound in Ankara.

by way of Vivian Salaman – greater

Shortly after Bolton’s assembly Erdogan held a speech to his parliament group. It was a slap in Bolton’s face. By way of Raqip Solyu:

Erdogan says he can’t settle for or swallow the messages given by US Nationwide Safety Advisor Bolton in Israel.

Erdoğan, “YPG/PKK are terrorists. Some say ‘don’t touch them because they are Kurds’. This is unacceptable. Everyone can be a terrorist. They could be Turkmans. Their ethnicity doesn’t matter. Bolton made a big mistake by his statements”

Erdogan on the Syria coverage chaos in Washington: “As it happened in the past, despite our clear agreement with Trump on US withdrawal from Syria, different voices started to come out from different levels of the American administration.”

Erdogan says Turkey continues to depend on Trump’s view on Syria and his decisiveness on the pullout. “We, largely, completed our military preparations against ISIS in accordance with our agreement with Trump”

“Saying that Turkey targets Syrian Kurds, which is a lie itself, is the lowest, most dishonorable, ugliest, most banal slander ever” Erdogan added.

Erdogan’s communication director gave the final kick:

Fahrettin Altun @fahrettinaltun – 14:17 utc – eight Jan 2019
U.S. Nationwide Safety Adviser @AmbJohnBolton held talks together with his Turkish counterpart @ikalin1 on the Presidential Complicated in Ankara at the moment.

I hope that he obtained a style of the world well-known Turkish hospitality throughout his go to.

An editorial within the Erdogan aligned Every day Sabah referred to as Bolton’s concepts a tender coup towards Trump.

And with that, Bolton was humiliated and the difficulty of the U.S. retreat from Syria kicked again to Trump.

We’ve seen an analogous scheme in U.S. negotiations with North Korea. Trump made a 4 step cope with Kim Jong Un. Then the borg in type of Secretary of State Pompeo tried to vary the deal, and demanded that North Korea fulfills step 4 earlier than the U.S. will take the first step, two and three. When he then flew to North Korea he was ignored by Kim Jong Un and solely met with decrease degree employees. It required Trump’s intervention to maintain the talks alive.

Erdogan likewise had a cope with Trump concerning the U.S. retreat from Syria. Bolton tried to vary the deal, so as to add circumstances and to delay the timeline. When he arrived in Ankara he was not solely ignored by Erdogan, however scolded. It’s going to require Trumps intervention to convey the difficulty again onto its tracks.

If Trump doesn’t transfer, Erdogan is more likely to search a army escalation. His military will in all probability hearth artillery on this or that Kurdish place close to the Turkish border. It might even invade a couple of cities. Not essentially to carry them, however to extend the strain on the U.S. occupation drive.

Turkey initially deliberate to first take Manbij on the western aspect of the Euphrates. However Manbij is blocked by Syrian troops, now strengthened by Russian army police patrols. Erdogan won’t dare to assault them.

Erdogan needs the U.S. to go away Syria and to take with it the arms it handed to the YPG to battle ISIS. He needs the Syrian authorities to retake northeast Syria and to deliver the Kurds beneath management. That might get rid of the hazard to Turkey.

Since Trump introduced that U.S. troops would quickly depart Syria the struggle towards the remaining ISIS forces close to the Iraqi border elevated in tempo. ISIS’ territorial maintain is now down to 2 or three villages. Sunday night time it used one other spat of dangerous climate on account of which the U.S. air drive couldn’t present air help to the Kurdish led proxy drive that fights ISIS. An ISIS counter assault ensued and killed some 25 of the U.S. supported forces. This was doubtless the final vital battle for ISIS. The Islamic State is down to some hundred fighters who haven’t any option to escape. They are going to be bombed to smithereens.

In Idleb governorate al-Qaeda aka Hayat Tahrir al Sham continues to consolidate its maintain. It issued a number of ultimatums to Ahrar al-Sham and different ‘average insurgent’ teams that also maintain elements of the world. When it’s completed with the elimination of its competitors it’ll probably shell Aleppo metropolis and assault the Syrian authorities strains. That may restart the warfare over Idleb.


The final time the Syrian authorities deliberate to cleanse Idleb of the Jihadis, the U.S. intervened and threatened to assault the Syrian military. Russia cast the Astana settlement beneath which Turkey agreed to get rid of HTS. It failed to satisfy its promise. The Syrian military is thus free to unravel the issue.

However what is going to the White Home do? Will Bolton (ought to he nonetheless be NSA by then) press for defending al-Qaeda? Will Trump comply with that?

Posted by b on January eight, 2019 at 11:47 AM | Permalink

As soon as once more it raises the query – who’s answerable for the White Home? Our Nice Chief seems to be a spineless, confused, coward.

Posted by: mike okay | Jan eight, 2019 11:59:10 AM | 1

Bolton had dinner with Trump on his return, however just one scoop of ice cream.

Posted by: Fec | Jan eight, 2019 12:07:12 PM | 2

Hold your folks shut, and your enemies nearer…

Posted by: c1ue | Jan eight, 2019 12:10:59 PM | three

Rand Paul will publish a scathing indictment of Bolton and the neocons… when he stops laughing.

Posted by: Fec | Jan eight, 2019 12:13:50 PM | four

Erdo needed to show Bolton into sandwiches, however he’d handcuffed himself to a basic.

Posted by: Fec | Jan eight, 2019 12:19:20 PM | 5

Within the distance I hear the sound of keyboard artists hammering out the newest ingenious rationalization of how this all proves that Erdogan and the neo-cons (secretly allied)are about to betray the Russians and invade Syria to be able to fulfill Israeli aims.
Such theories ought to distract no one from the significance of this affirmation that the US goes to withdraw its penny packets of weak troops. And that the UK and France might be following go well with too. And the Iraqi parliament shouldn’t be going to supply them extra snug billets in Iraq both.

Posted by: bevin | Jan eight, 2019 12:26:33 PM | 6

Posted by: mike okay | Jan eight, 2019 11:59:10 AM | 1

Our Nice Chief seems to be a spineless, confused, coward.
Nah, he is a fucking genius grifter enjoying Bolton and the opposite neo-cons like no-one else might. And in addition shitting on the Democrats by conning them into aligning themselves intently with the neo-con scum. I am nonetheless anticipating Trump to be a full two-time period president with higher overseas-coverage chops than any of his predecessors since FDR.

Posted by: Ghost Ship | Jan eight, 2019 12:27:53 PM | 7

The Turk vs Syrian military can be fascinating.

Posted by: Don Process | Jan eight, 2019 12:29:40 PM | eight

“On Friday, a State Division official stated “(w)e have no timeline for our military forces to withdraw from” the nation. Delay might turn into under no circumstances.

On Sunday, a senior Iraqi parliamentarian stated

“(t)he Americans have built a military base in Erbil (in) the Iraqi Kurdistan region to use…against Iraq’s neighboring countries, in particular Iran and Syria.”

Iraqi media stated the Pentagon has 14 army bases within the nation – together with a reported 18 in Syria. The US is very unlikely to desert them, particularly ones thought-about most strategically necessary.

An earlier report indicated the Pentagon intends establishing a everlasting base alongside the Iraqi border with Syria. Turkey reportedly established a number of army bases in northwestern Aleppo.

On Saturday, a senior Trump regime official stated US forces might stay indefinitely on the (illegally established) al-Tanf base in southeastern Syria close to the Iraqi and Jordanian borders…”

Posted by: ninel | Jan eight, 2019 12:31:29 PM | 9

It is so rattling apparent! You both do it the US means or under no circumstances, or, we’ll blow you to items!

Posted by: William Bowles | Jan eight, 2019 12:33:05 PM | 10

Sooo satisfying to examine that asswipe Bolton getting the smackdown he so completely deserves from Erdogan and the Turkish authorities. Bolton appears so silly and clueless, i.e. to arrogantly fly to Turkey and begin telling them what they will or can’t do to the YPG. Egads what an ass clown.

Posted by: Deschutes | Jan eight, 2019 12:45:49 PM | 11

thanks for the overview b! it might appear that erdogan and russia are aligning very properly at this time limit.. the usa and it is poodles have been sidelined… bolton seems like a idiot, however he’s good buddies with netanyahu and that’s all that issues to him in all probability… i’m positive the usa goes to prepare dinner up one thing, as they’ve been the prime driver for eliminating assad and supporting as they are saying – the syrian opposition…

Posted by: james | Jan eight, 2019 12:47:41 PM | 12

Very vital progress report, b. It is beaut that Trump’s dealings with some main world leaders seem to have earnt the respect of different leaders. It is also ‘fascinating’ that Erdogan determined that if he is not speaking to Trump then he is not speaking to the USG. This can develop into the New Regular, imo.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jan eight, 2019 12:56:18 PM | 13

reply to:
“… not speaking to Trump then he is not speaking to the USG. It will turn into the New Regular, imo.
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jan eight, 2019 12:56:18 PM | 13
I agree, that appears to be the mindset of the brand new Mexican govt as properly. I’m wondering if Putin might have whispered in Edogran’s ear in help of this strategy?

Posted by: frances | Jan eight, 2019 12:59:54 PM | 14

“Turkey[…] Humiliates John Bolton”

Is it even attainable to humiliate a sociopath with zero morals?

Posted by: Dick Lenning | Jan eight, 2019 1:08:04 PM | 15

It is amusing that Trump gave the “Israeli’s” AND the Neocons sufficient rope to hold themselves they usually might hardly wait to shove their heads within the noose and leap…

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jan eight, 2019 1:11:08 PM | 16

Fascinating article on Russia and Iran’s response to Trump’s introduced troop withdrawal from Syria.

The gist of the article, lengthy however properly value a learn, is that the troop withdrawal itself, even when it does undergo, is overhyped and that American coverage relating to Syria and the area stays primarily unchanged.

It will get into far more element however right here is an excerpt:

But, when geopolitics and regional safety are thought-about, many Iranian and Russian officers are skeptical concerning the withdrawal and don’t see it as a big shift in Washington’s Syria technique. This in all probability explains why Iran’s Supreme Chief Ali Khamenei and President Hassan Rouhani have avoided commenting on the plan thus far. The chief of employees for the armed forces of the Islamic Republic, Maj. Gen. Mohammad Bagheri, argues that given the huge US presence within the area, the Syria pullout is not any coverage reversal. In Russia additionally, Overseas Minister Sergey Lavrov has forged doubt on the implementation of President Donald Trump’s order.

Posted by: Daniel | Jan eight, 2019 1:12:50 PM | 17

Each king has a jester. In Trump’s case, he has three: Pompeo, Bolton and Haley.

Posted by: Fec | Jan eight, 2019 1:14:26 PM | 18

I advised youse that going to Israel first was a mistake; placing on these goggles and “rubbing their thighs” over a 3D take a look at the brand new temple and a memento kippah obtained them.

Posted by: Bart Hansen | Jan eight, 2019 1:26:03 PM | 19

Am all the time amazed to see how tiny Bolton is in comparison with then different adults. If he do not have a mustache, he might cross for an early adolescent. Sadly for us, his conduct like his stature, is that of a troubled teen.
A draft dodger (Nationwide Guard) throughout Viet Nam who blames peace activists for the US’s lack of ability to prevail, he has devoted his life to stopping peace from ever breaking out once more.
I do not perceive why Trump, given his platform of army disengagement, nominated him or tolerates his flagrant usurpation of energy.

Posted by: CD Waller | Jan eight, 2019 1:29:01 PM | 20

@6 bevin

All very good however what concerning the rickety bridge behind this fantasy?


He [Erdogan] needs the Syrian authorities to retake northeast Syria and to convey the Kurds beneath management. That might get rid of the hazard to Turkey.

Gee, I positive want to see a hyperlink to a quote the place Erdo particularly says that! There is a distinction between being positive of what Erdo needs and quoting him on it.

I am not shopping for your interpretation of what Trump needs from NK and I am not shopping for that Trump needed to withdraw and depart all the things as much as Erdo, Putin and Assad. It simply does not fly.

Trump ALWAYS needs an excessive amount of. Take a look at what he is doing with China, take a look at how he is grinding in his heels on the Shutdown, even after dropping the Home, he needs what he needs and he’ll lie and cheat to get it. Do you additionally purchase that hundreds of terrorists are coming in by way of the southern U.S. border? I Do not assume so!

All this vacillating, posturing and kabuki theater by Trump means one factor: he was by no means critical concerning the pull-out in Syria or Iraq, he’s and all the time will probably be within the Zionist camp, his aim is to include Iran not solely with the sanctions, however in and thru Syria and he is not going to offer an inch on the Zionist agenda to include Syria’s protection methods, and use Israel to assault Iran’s positions repeatedly, and fulfill the Saudis as nicely of their Syria aspirations. He’ll make the bottom fertile for Israel and GCC continued interventionist operations. So ask your self how he plans to perform that with none U.S. help? Putin has already confirmed he is restricted in his response to Israeli army intrusion. Some type of management might be sought by no matter means crucial even false flag.

Once more, Trump by no means provides in, he did not give in to Zionist/Neocon strain as a result of he was all the time on board, in any other case, he would not have given an inch even to them. It isn’t in his nature! So, that is an evolving ruse that Trump has been in on from the beginning. …Subsequent part of the marketing campaign in Syria will take form with or with out Erdo on board.

Posted by: Circe | Jan eight, 2019 1:30:31 PM | 21


That’s straightforward, Netanyahu.

Posted by: BraveNewWorld | Jan eight, 2019 1:36:19 PM | 22

To set circumstances to Turkey, and from Israel on prime of that, was not a really clever technique to say the least.

Posted by: Jean | Jan eight, 2019 1:38:24 PM | 23

Only a considered Idlib on the finish of b’s article; Al-Nusra was/is supported and armed by Israel and Al-Quaeda by Saudi Arabia if my reminiscence serves me. The amount of arms dumps discovered close to Daa’raa and the Golan (each US and Israeli arms) are large. Presumably they’re stll being provided by the identical individuals as earlier than. So I might anticipate “Al Quaeda” to advance in the direction of SAA strains round Idlib province pretty quickly.- as b says. This could possibly be the “next” part Trump referred to.

Israel, for it is half will proceed to seek out methods to assault Syria (Gov.). A method they’ve already used is to “hide” behind US planes, flying a provide route from Jordan after which turning left at Tanf. (Used to assault “Iranians” close to Palmyra, actually SAA). similar concept as later used within the downing of the Russian jet, plus the in all probability purpose of their “Christmas” assault. That is probably another reason why the US will need to maintain Al-Tanf. Notably as there was the thought floated that they’ll proceed to maintain air-management over east Syria. Air assaults on Deir Ezzor could possibly be then be repeated.

Though the “Kurds” are talked about because the forces in SE Syria, there are a selection of ex-ISIS and different turncoats that joined the SDF within the south, who’re usually not talked about. Some maps revealed on Twitter and so forth. solely present the Rojava space as Kurdish and the Southern a part of the east Euphrates both as “empty” or ISIS held. ie A lot of the frontier with Iraq. The Kurds didn’t have the lads out there to carry this territory neither did they’ve the motive.
So the world that the Kurds need, and that the Turks don’t need them to have is the northern a part of the east Euphrates space. What of the opposite bit? Held by re-turncoat ISIS/SDF members as the idea for a brand new terrorist homeland? I do not know, however the “oversight” appears to be deliberate.

Posted by: stonebird | Jan eight, 2019 1:44:06 PM | 24

I nonetheless keep that the US&Co. are in the perfect place in 30 years!

Posted by: Chevrus | Jan eight, 2019 2:08:52 PM | 25

b: We have now seen an identical scheme in U.S. negotiations with North Korea… It required Trump’s intervention to maintain the talks alive.

However Trump’s “intervention” hasn’t accomplish something.

Simply as USA hand-wringing hasn’t stopped them from supporting the Saudi and UAE genocide in Yemen.

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Remind me once more why Trump introduced the “immediate” troop “pull out”. Oh yeah ‘trigger he needed to satisfy his election guarantees. 22 months earlier than the subsequent election. I keep in mind the dreamers leaping for glee and telling us that the 2020 Presidential election had begun.

So Trump had 22 months to tug out the troops in an “very orderly, very deliberate” approach, however he selected to antagonize and disrespect Mattis as an alternative. Oh, after which look silly as he walked it again.

OR, perhaps, PERHAPS, it might contemplate the likelihood that Trump’s announcement was merely positioning himself earlier than the Israeli Christmas assault?!?!?! It is kinda an essential problem as a result of if a ff was meant, it is probably that there can be different makes an attempt to get it proper.

No settlement with the Turks signifies that USA has to remain to guard the Kurds.

It isn’t Bolton that appears silly. It is his boss: for hiring him, and for backing away from the troop withdrawal.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan eight, 2019 2:15:54 PM | 26

@ 26

Unsure Trump had a lot selection. Adelson and the Mercers needed Bolton and the Koch Bros. needed Pompeo.

Posted by: Fec | Jan eight, 2019 2:22:42 PM | 27

I feel they (US/Turkey) will handle this, in any case, that is the turks which have tried to cancel russian s400 cope with Russia simply to get a greater deal by the US. Simply wait and see.

Posted by: Zanon | Jan eight, 2019 2:28:26 PM | 28

stonebird @24–

HTS, al-Nursa, al-Ciada, are all one and the identical group having altered the brand a number of occasions to keep away from being labeled the terrorist group they’re, and are supported by the identical nations since their inception within the late 1970s. (Truly, the concept–Dying Squads–was shaped a lot earlier.) You might recall how a corporation referred to as the Pink Brigades was utilized in Europe through the Chilly Warfare or find out about NATO’s Gladio cells. They’re all primarily the identical factor working underneath the aegis of the identical master–the Outlaw US Empire: The Nice Devil.

HTS is already being attacked by RuAF inside Idlib. SAA forces are additional massing for the postponed Idlib Daybreak assault. Assad can’t permit any additional terrorization of Aleppo’s civilians or struggling of loyal Syrians inside Idlib. The current assembly between the Russian and American Common Staffs could have delivered the Russian/Syrian place straightforwardly–Keep out of our method so you aren’t getting harm. Bolton’s Turkish remedy additionally reinforces that message to US Army. SAA’s rank & file are greater than able to rout HTS and end liberating their nation.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan eight, 2019 2:29:19 PM | 29

@25 Chevrus.. i’m curious if you wish to elaborate in your viewpoint.. thanks…

Posted by: james | Jan eight, 2019 2:34:41 PM | 30

DJT and Bolden, basic “good cop, bad cop”..

Posted by: ben | Jan eight, 2019 four:04:29 PM | 32

I do not perceive why individuals hate Trump?
He is bringing again our troopers and he is not permitting a milenary civilization to proceed to be destroyed.
How is that this not a superb factor?
He is defying the institution.
He is difficult the US’s present mortal enemy, China.
I LOVE the Chinese language, however I LIVE within the USA so who do you assume I’ll root for?
Trump is resolving the migratory insanity, no extra illegals making the damaging trek.
Trump helps dismantle the EUSSR.
It is a good time to be alive.

Posted by: Fernando Martinez | Jan eight, 2019 four:10:42 PM | 33

I am unsure that calling the chief of the USA a ‘coward’ (#1) is actually right. What we’re seeing in lots of locations however primarily within the US is that so many choices on the worldwide degree are made or closely influenced by both the ‘Deep State’ or by army males. Both method Democracy has been killed off during the last 50 years or extra. Hopefully there shall be an amazing disintegration of the buildings that led to this. I feel it’s a bit just like the Tower of Babel yet again. Making an attempt to arrange human beings into one mass of humanity with one language and one tradition and one unit of financial worth will fail time and time once more. There’s a lot overreach so far as the EU is worried not to mention what it might be like at a better degree ! Beak up the UN (reduce its energy…) ! Break up bigger nations into smaller extra autonomous statelets a bit like Switzerland … 🙂

Posted by: imoverit | Jan eight, 2019 four:12:43 PM | 34

That is affirmation of what I’ve been saying for days now.

Bolton needs Turkey to invade northern Syria BUT agree to not contact the YPG.
Erdogan needs Turkey to invade northern Syria BECAUSE he needs to crush the YPG.

The apparent lesson to attract is that the Kurds cannot belief something that both man says.

The apparent subsequent step from the Kurds is to cease listening to the USA and Turkey and swap sides to the Assad Authorities.

That is not in any means a “bold” prediction.

It’s inevitable, exactly as a result of Erdogan’s newest dummy-spit is proof-constructive that if the Kurds do not leap into mattress with Damascus then they will be crushed beneath the boot of Erdogan’s armed forces.

The Kurds will leap.

They. Have. No. Different. Selection.

Posted by: Yeah, Proper | Jan eight, 2019 four:26:02 PM | 35

@31 James That Erdogan op-ed merely spells out precisely what the Turks intend to do i.e. to invade northern Syria to slaughter (sorry, “intensively vet”) the YPG.

Bolton is “offended” by it as a result of it lets the cat out of the bag i.e. it places a misinform Jeffrey’s plea to the Kurds to not do a cope with Assad till the USA has had time to hammer out a aspect-cope with Erdogan.

The Kurds now know precisely what that deal entails i.e. their slaughter by the hands of the Turks.

The Kurds will act accordingly i.e. they may do the very factor that Jeffrey’s is pleading with them to not do.

They. Have. No. Different. Selection.

Posted by: Yeah, Proper | Jan eight, 2019 four:31:31 PM | 36

Sure, identical to Obama performed 11 dimensional chess, based on his numerous followers, we now hear from Trumpians, Putin-heads and now even Erdogatians that each one these guys are enjoying 11 dimensional chess. What a flaming load of crap. They’re all mendacity thugs.

Posted by: paul | Jan eight, 2019 four:33:38 PM | 37

I urge to vary together with your evaluation that the YPG is identical because the PKK. Kurdish politics are complicated, and regardless of sharing ethnicity, there are nice variations in ideology, goals, loyalties, and techniques between the factions in Turkey, Syria, Iran, Iraq, and even Armenia. The YPG has not carried out terror techniques or harmed civillians, and Turkey is the one nation to characterize them as terrorists.
I recall your condemnation of the unlawful occupation of Syrian territory by US forces, and the ridicule poured on those that stated Assad should go. Nicely, Turkey is a type of states who’re responsible of these costs. As well as, they’re extra responsible than others, as a result of they’ve been proved to have assisted, armed, educated, and achieved enterprise with Islamic militant teams that have been definitely terrorists. Bolton’s phrases to Erdogan solely helped to point out up the actual Turkish lengthy-time period curiosity, to cleanse giant swathes of territory of all Kurds – they usually have had good apply in such undertakings as Armenians, Greeks, Alawites, and Christians will attest.

Posted by: SPYRIDON POLITIS | Jan eight, 2019 four:53:25 PM | 38

So Paul, are you an Obamian?

Was ZERO yer HERO?

He brought about this mess the slaughter of hundreds and the arms of his pet Jihadis?

Now the Democrats have adopted jihadi techniques to realize energy.

Is that what your Obamians do?

I heard some man name individuals who help the POTUS insurance policies; Trumpers.

So perhaps you are an OBUMPER an Obama Trump hybrid?

Posted by: Fernando Martinez | Jan eight, 2019 four:54:08 PM | 39

Is Trump getting ready the bottom to kick Bolton out and provides a blow to the neocons which have taken over the us overseas coverage? It does appear to be that. Bolton’s daysat the white home are counted. pompeo may comply with as he’s manipulated by the neocons and jeopardizing the north Korea course of.
Perhaps it’s the time the place Trump will lastly present presidential

Posted by: Virgile | Jan eight, 2019 5:19:30 PM | 40

@40 Virgile “Is Trump preparing the ground to kick Bolton out”

No. Trump doesn’t want to organize any floor in any respect. He want solely say “you’re fired!”.

“and give a blow to the neocons that have taken over the us foreign policy?”

No. He can hearth all of them, and do it tomorrow.

He hasn’t completed that as a result of he has no concept what he’s doing.

That is all you want to perceive: Trump has been elected into a task for which he’s incompetent, and due to that incompetence he’s now trying to herd cats.

Posted by: Yeah, Proper | Jan eight, 2019 5:25:28 PM | 41

Fernando Martinez @33–

You appear confused about an amazing many issues, most significantly that China is your enemy–it is most definitely not. It is selling an financial mannequin the place everybody wins, whereas the US Authorities carried out the Neoliberal financial coverage in 1978 that promotes Zero-sum outcomes the place just a few get forward on the expense of all others–Consider the board recreation Monopoly, and you will have a great grasp of that idea.

Right here I submit in your edification the Preamble to the 1787 US Structure which is meant to offer the rationale for the goals/objectives of governing the nation:

“We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.”

Please word which phrases are capitalized for emphasis and which aren’t. Now ask your self how it’s Zero-sum outcomes jibe with the “promote the general Welfare” clause? That is however one in every of quite a few contradictions I might record proving that the USA is not being ruled according to the elemental rationale. Is not a system aimed toward seeing everybody win suitable with the above cited clause whereas Zero-sum is in full opposition?

I heartily recommend you reexamine your place on immigration, notably contemplating the surname you’ve got adopted. All individuals dwelling in all places on the planet are the kin of immigrants, apart from a choose few that by no means left Africa, the birthplace of all humanity.

As for paul, it is the nom de plume of a drive-by troll, and is greatest ignored.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan eight, 2019 5:29:10 PM | 42

I quite assume that as an alternative of firing Bolton as NSA head, Trump ought to give him a minor place, with a title that makes it sound necessary, just like what the Russian authorities did with neoliberal economist Alexei Kudrin in making that fellow Chairman of the Accounts Chamber (equal to Chief Inspector of the Authorities Audit Workplace) in 2018. As C1ue @ three says, Trump ought to hold his enemies nearer than his pals.

Posted by: Jen | Jan eight, 2019 5:39:04 PM | 43

Yeah, Proper @41–

IMO, given it seems that Trump has no coverage, “has no idea of what he’s doing,” that it is worthwhile revisiting this 2014 article the place Escobar concludes, “this is The Empire of Chaos in action,” and ask if Trump’s “no idea”/no coverage is simply his model of The Empire of Chaos? Given the utter lack of knowledgeable diplomatic corp, Outlaw US Empire coverage since its Vietnam defeat seems to be certainly one of constant waffling–those politicos put in cost do not know of what they’re doing–and tug-of-conflict between differing departments–State, Protection, NSA/CIA, Treasury, Commerce. The Anti-Communist Campaign no less than offered a framework on which to hold coverage strikes; however going after Full Spectrum Domination does not present the identical support–note that through the Chilly Struggle, denouncing Communism was like respiration, however from whom do you hear the righteous arguments for Full Spectrum Domination as a lot of the public does not even know such a coverage exists or that it has been the #1 overarching coverage since GHW Bush introduced the arrival of a New World Order.

Earlier than and through his marketing campaign, Trump was forthright in saying gross blunders have been made that have to be amended and implied that Imperial Enlargement by the Outlaw US Empire wanted to stop. I see him permitting the Empire of Chaos to proceed sputtering, however is that by selection or happenstance? Which is the Frontstage Trump and which the Backstage? Is it even value making an attempt to discern? IMO, shut consideration’s warranted.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan eight, 2019 6:09:34 PM | 45

Properly, the actual Donald Trump writes this about his coverage relating to the withdrawal:

“The Failing New York Times has knowingly written a very inaccurate story on my intentions on Syria. No different from my original statements, we will be leaving at a proper pace while at the same time continuing to fight ISIS and doing all else that is prudent and necessary!…..”

That was yesterday’s tweet.

The great factor about geo-politics is that no quantity of phrases can change its realities.

It is amusing to see Bolton get slapped by the Turks. Turkey enjoys the power proper now to inform the US to fuck off to its face. I word additionally how particularly Turkey emphasizes that its settlement is with Trump, and never with little man Bolton, the insulter. You do not ever need to be somebody who’s simply insulted a bunch of Turks – they do not prefer it.

The parallels with the Korea dynamics are certainly hanging. It means that the entire world sees what we see, which is that Trump has to have his token neocons to please no matter forces require this, however that all of their actions falls flat – and diminishes the facility and status of these forces – whereas Trump himself stays in his personal narrative, and seemingly unmoved out of his conventional type of hiring and firing.


And Trump himself? I had a dialogue the opposite day with somebody who had very robust emotions towards Trump, and needed to know mine. I stated that I actually do not care who he’s, and I do not anticipate ever to know, however I word what truly occurs on his watch, and it fits my hopes for the demise of empire tremendously to see the issues that happen – the phrases, I spend virtually no time with.

Posted by: Grieved | Jan eight, 2019 6:45:43 PM | 46

Usually not an enormous fan of Erdo, however him bitchslapping Bolton for all of the world to see (and listening to about it on State Radio, a.okay.a. NPR) was a scrumptious change of tempo this morning! Bravo!

Posted by: DougDiggler | Jan eight, 2019 7:04:07 PM | 47

Pay attention Karlof1 I actually like if you write.
I ain’t confused about something, I do know what China’s rise is all about, I just like the Chinese language I actually do.
I perceive the problems or at the least I make an effort too.
I am a LEGAL immigrant and I would like everybody who comes to attend their flip.
If I am thought-about a racist, I do not care anymore individuals are irrational on the subject of that matter.
I haven’t got an irrational worry of immigrants, like I’ve of swimming in deep water so I am not xenophobic.
I am not a white latino both. I am from the caribbean so I am darker hued.
I’ve labored exhausting following the principles and me and lots of like me simply need the opposite migrants to do the identical and when you come illegaly do not anticipate a welcome mat until Maduro is your president.
Trump is making an attempt to vary issues and I am positive he is making some offers on the aspect, but the deep state and the media are doing their utmost to hobble the modifications he is bringing about.
I am not gonna waste my time writing any extra, I am not getting paid to do that nor to debate with any of you guys.
I do like whenever you write Karlof1 so in the event you wanna rip me aside you achieve this towards an enormous sympathizer who principally agrees with you. Individuals like Paul, blurggghhh.

Posted by: Fernando Martinez | Jan eight, 2019 7:19:48 PM | 48

@36 yeah, proper.. i just about agree with you… the kurds are very sluggish learners, however i feel they’re beginning to see the large pic right here and understand they might be higher served not working with the usa.. should wait and see the way it performs out.. and that i principally agree together with your @41 too.. trump is in gaga land with none particular plan different then to create extra worth for his personal ass… however i like what @46 grieved stated about this and want to be extra refined and be capable of take a place like grieved!!! i see @45 karlof1 helps your postion in addition to does pepe escobar…

i want to say i’m past making an attempt to determine trump.. it will get tiring making an attempt to determine the man out.. he looks like principally a vacuous self serving type of man and does not care a lot about what anybody else thinks.. a few of this can be a good factor! a few of it is tougher.. i’ll take the great with the difficult and settle for he’s main an empire in decline which has been my place all alongside.. regardless of how we get their, i see the solar setting on the us empire, not rising..

Posted by: james | Jan eight, 2019 7:23:33 PM | 49

@45 karlof1 The issue that the USA has is – as you word – its full lack of knowledgeable overseas workplace.

The State Division will get cleaned out from prime to backside each 4 or eight years, and in between no one actually pays the slightest quantity of consideration to it or give it something just like the assets it must carry out is (supposed) perform of Talking On Behalf Of The USA.

That is why a robust Nationwide Safety Advisor can accumulate monumental energy (not that Bolton matches that definition, besides in his personal thoughts).
That is why what the Pentagon decides is way, much more necessary than something that’s being mulled over down at Foggy Backside.

Examine and distinction to the British Empire in all its pomp: regardless of how a lot it might have been derided as Perfidious Albion the Brits took care to nurture knowledgeable Overseas Workplace that knew what it needed to do and had the institutional reminiscence to know the best way to get there.

By comparability the USA is, certainly, an Empire of Chaos.
Not simply in its worldwide dealings but in addition in its inner bickering: the unedifying sight of a bunch of petty tyrants preventing countless turf-wars, and on a regular basis dwelling in worry of being overruled by a President who solutions solely to the billionaires who put him within the Oval Workplace.

A bunch of amateurs, being led by knowledgeable shyster who – when it’s all stated and achieved – solutions solely to a bunch of oligarchs.

What might probably go flawed?

Posted by: Yeah, Proper | Jan eight, 2019 7:41:55 PM | 50

@47 DougDiggler That Bolton thought that he might persuade Erdogan to
(a) invade northern Syria whereas concurrently
(b) lay off the Kurdish YPG
is so outlandish an act of blinkered, delusional considering that it merely staggers the thoughts.

Bolton is as incompetent a Nationwide Safety Advisor as he’s a stark-raving, completely-insane, neocon-zealot.

Erdogan has precisely one (1) coverage objective w.r.t. Syria and it’s this: to finish the menace that an unbiased (and even semi-autonomous) Kurdish physique politic inside Syria poses to his ongoing struggle towards the Kurds inside Turkey itself.

Such a Kurdish enclave on his border poses a mortal menace to his rule, as anybody who has multiple mind cell ought to have the ability to perceive.

To recommend – as Bolton has been suggesting – that the Turkish Military invade northern Syria IN ORDER TO play kissies with the YPG is so offensive an idea that Erdogan is to be recommended for having the self-management to not invite Bolton into his workplace to throttle the life out of the little gnome together with his naked palms.

Truthfully, Bolton’s incompetence is breathtaking even for a US authorities official.

Posted by: Yeah, Proper | Jan eight, 2019 7:55:25 PM | 51

james @49–

Then do not make your self drained making an attempt to know Trump; simply watch what he does from day-to-day. Making an attempt to determine him out would require spending fairly a little bit of time cross-analyzing him about a large number of issues, which we’ll by no means get the chance to do; so, such a process is pointless, Sisyphean. In case you learn that previous Escobar essay, you will learn of Lavrov and Putin out maneuvering Kerry and Obama on Ukraine, which they then did relating to Syria, they usually proceed to take action to Trump’s tandem of Pompeo and Bolton. A narrative’s advised and was written a few dialog between FDR and Churchill on a warship within the Northwest Atlantic coping with what would grow to be the Atlantic Constitution, the purpose being that FDR might accomplish a lot offered nothing wanted to be approved by Congress similar to additional tweaking Lend/Lease. The identical level applies to what we see occurring between Trump and different nationwide leaders–they cope with issues Congress or entities inside the Government have little energy to change or meddle in. They attempt to meddle however lose face when uncovered and their meddling repudiated. Such diminishes general imperial energy and helps to revive sovereignty–paraphrasing Trump: rise up in your nation or grovel just like the EU vassals. The previous earn his respect whereas the latter get spit upon, as is clearly his fashion nicely displayed on The Apprentice.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan eight, 2019 eight:07:43 PM | 52


Yeah, Proper is just saying that USA shall be pressured out by the Kurd’s aligning with SAA.

Yeah, Proper and I truly agree that Trump is a blunderbuss.

However I care about what motivated Trump’s blunder (Israels tried ff) and Yeah, Proper does not (AFAICT). I care about it as a result of I feel it is probably that there can be extra ff makes an attempt.

Now we see a brand new claims of 11-th dimensional chess: Trump arrange the neocons! (Ghostship @7, Hoarsewhisperer @16) LMFAO! Trump could not arrange deck chairs on the Titanic.

My learn can be this: Trump used Bolton as political cowl for his goof-up. A goof-up that was pushed by his fast positioning earlier than the anticipated Israeli ff on Christmas. However do not fret for B-man. If I am proper, Bolton can be vindicated when the Israelis conduct a profitable ff that provides Trump political cowl for growing US troop power and operations.

What passes for “leadership” within the Empire is the power to trick the rubes into taking over causes that additional the elite agenda. Will of the dumbasses have to be obeyed. Voilà, “democracy”.

Welcome to the rabbit gap.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan eight, 2019 eight:16:40 PM | 53

Will of the dumbasses individuals …

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan eight, 2019 eight:19:14 PM | 54

. . .including to karlof1 at 52

When Trump, an outsider who amazingly, unexpectedly gained the presidency arrived he put in a coterie of generals in excessive workplace, after which later, the arch-neocon Bolton. “Hey look, I’m not a threat to the establishment, in fact I’m giving them a chance.”
The generals at the moment are gone, bringing failure with them. Bolton quickly can be gone, in all probability, for a similar cause.
Trump: “See my establishment opponents, see them fail . . .you better deal with me” has been Trump’s technique. Truly it matches in together with his assaults on “allies” who’ve been sucking off the US taxpayers for years.
How a lot can an outsider accomplish w/o help from the Pentagon and the Congress, all of which have been purchased off? to reverse the all-conflict institution?
I look on the brilliant aspect.
..from the online…
De La Rochefoucauld: “It is not enough to succeed, others must fail.”

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan eight, 2019 eight:33:59 PM | 55

@53 Jackrabbit “Yeah, Right is only saying that USA will be forced out by the Kurd’s aligning with SAA.”

That’s right. Trump’s announcement leaves the Kurd’s with no choice however to modify sides, and as soon as they do then it is going to not matter what Very Crafty Plan the People are hatching, the continued deployment of US Particular Forces inside Syria turns into untenable.

“But I care about what motivated Trump’s blunder (Israels attempted ff) and Yeah, Right doesn’t (AFAICT).”

That’s right, I don’t consider there’s any have to search for any hidden purpose behind “Trump’s blunder”.

Trump seized upon Erdogan’s telephone dialog for no different purpose than that Trump doesn’t need US troops to be in Syria.
There isn’t any thriller about that – he has been on document for a few years questioning why US troops have to be in Syria.

He is the President. He needed to order US troops outta there, and when Erdogan gave him a gap he impulsively took it.

Truthfully, I don’t consider that to be a “blunder” in any respect.

I consider that Trump’s instincts are right on this matter: the USA ought to by no means have put these troops on the bottom and will now take away them with all haste. And having made that call Trump ought to keep on with it, and if Bolton insists on trying to reverse that announcement then Trump ought to unceremoniously sack the little s**t.

Bolton’s days are numbered anyway, for no different cause than that the little s**t is so spectacularly incompetent on the solely process that issues i.e. giving Trump sound recommendation on points that have an effect on the USA’s nationwide safety.

Posted by: Yeah, Proper | Jan eight, 2019 eight:40:22 PM | 56

Jackrabbit – I discover myself agreeing with you increasingly today. Not 100% however not that far off.

I am unsure which certainly one of us must be extra apprehensive about that…lol

I’ll have to show in my DLC badge and cease cashing my pay checks.

Posted by: donkeytale | Jan eight, 2019 eight:41:12 PM | 57

Wonderful evaluation or relatively notion.Bolton and Muller are nearing a shithole non of Trump’s adversaries would dare even Netanyahu. Trump could have is administration even when it’s the final 15 months of his time period. We have underestimated Trump – not me.

Posted by: Ghifari AL Mukhtar | Jan eight, 2019 eight:41:58 PM | 58

YEAH B!!!!!!! I do not know what is going to occur once I submit however the private information improve I’m seeing is encouraging….THANKS!!!! I’m lazy like everybody else

@ Grievbed who wrote:

I said that I truly don’t care who he is, and I don’t expect ever to know, but I note what actually happens on his watch, and it suits my hopes for the death of empire greatly to see the things that occur – the words, I spend almost no time with.

I agree with most of it and karlof1’s perspective however your hopes for the demise of empire I feel are misstated….let me clarify

I equate the time period empire with the elite that personal international personal finance and all the things else. If Trump have been actually “leading” America in the direction of the top of empire he can be lifeless by now. What Trump is doing is getting ready the world for the subsequent transition of empire from the US model to ???

I additionally am a bit dismayed at b’s characterization of Trump’s machinations. I usually credit score b with extra depth of understanding however it does converse strongly to the consequences of sustaining that religion based mostly narrative the place individuals droop perception within the face of opposing details. I simply cannot perceive how people can have any religion in Trump doing something for the betterment of humanity, long run. Trump is a purchased character actor in a really sick social manipulation scheme. He’s the great cop however robust negotiator for persevering with empire in no matter type it morphs into.

I agree with you Grieved that Trump bringing out the true face of the West as an alternative of Clinton II is preferable. I simply hate to see people portraying the occasions within the “wrong” context”.

I see humanity being arrange by good cop Trump for the American Shock Doctrine occasion and subsequent stage of empire which I do not presume to consider can exist so I do not speculate on construction…..

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan eight, 2019 eight:42:02 PM | 59

@52 karlof1.. i agree it’s principally pointless, however hypothesis is one thing some do and typically enjoyable too.. i can not see how trump might examine the usa to the euro poodles.. it isn’t a good comparability, however these trump would pitch this to could be oblivious of that both approach… it’s the similar with considering of whether or not trump will final his full time period, or not, or whether or not he’ll win the subsequent usa election or not.. it’s all unnecessary hypothesis, however many individuals interact in it..

@53 jackrabbit.. i too have the priority for extra false flags.. this appears to be the go to device of the empire at this level.. i’m positive they will prepare dinner up one thing anytime they need, so the query stays – when will it’s? this is rather like speculating on trump, as i used to be saying to karlof1 above – it’s principally a fools train, however many do love to do it, or ponder it.. i feel it is very important hold it in thoughts although.. your hypothesis on trump, bolton and and so forth is legitimate… i do not understand how any of that is going to play out, however i don’t consider trump is all that sensible.. he could also be only a software of the oligarchs as yeah, proper appears to recommend.. then once more, maybe there’s a lack of settlement on this degree too and we’re witnessing this.. it’s all hypothesis at this level and anybody’s guess… thanks in your feedback right here and elsewhere..

Posted by: james | Jan eight, 2019 eight:45:29 PM | 60

@44 vk, each NYT articles are appalling.

Trump is the POTUS, prefer it or not, whereas Bolton is merely a flunky who serves on the President’s pleasure.

Bolton can advise – that is his job, in any case – however Trump is at liberty to reject that recommendation out of hand, as a result of that is HIS job: to determine.

He determined, and his choice was to declare victory after which order all US troops out of Syria.
It’s a good choice.
A wise choice.
Heck, even a sensible determination.

That no one else within the American physique politic agrees with that call is a tragic indictment of how pathetically blinkered Washington is.

That these nobodies are trying to drive Trump to vary that call – not simply to advise towards it, however to actively try and undermine it – is appalling.

The NYTs is asking a query that it already is aware of the reply to: it’s TRUMP who speaks for the USA, no one else, as a result of the Structure is completely crystal-clear that this can be a position that’s invested within the workplace of the POTUS.

And if Bolton needs to usurp that position then Trump ought to pin the little s**t’s cover towards the wall, and if the NYT editorial employees is advocating some other end result then it’s doing a grave injustice to its readership.

Posted by: Yeah, Proper | Jan eight, 2019 eight:57:47 PM | 61

Bolton, the Israeli consultant, acquired a really lukewarm welcome in Ankara. Bolton has failed his chief Netanyahu. He’ll now shave his ugly moustache – that’s harakiri gringo type for you.

Posted by: Hem Lock | Jan eight, 2019 eight:59:28 PM | 62

My very own thought is that Bolton is just not remarking off the cuff or in defiance of Trump or outdoors of Trump or in any method disassociated from Trump.

He represents Trump with these feedback made in his official capability because the Nationwide Suckass Advisor.

That you’re merely insinuating Bolton is appearing in defiance of Trump is a daring assertion which requires proof.

How typically in historical past has the Nationwide Suckass Advisor of any President defied the Boss proper out within the open in entrance of God and everyone?

Posted by: donkeytale | Jan eight, 2019 9:04:02 PM | 63

Fernando Martinez @48–

Thanks in your reply! Latino is a wierd descriptive time period as is Hispanic. Heritage/ethnicity is an fascinating research. Do you know that the majority trendy Spaniards are Germanic, the one Latin connection being to the Romans who allowed the Visigoths emigrate into Iberia? That makes my ancestors principally Celtic, the most important Germanic tribe, though my surname is Spanish. Have you ever turn out to be a citizen but? I as soon as helped people like your self study English and the knowledge wanted to cross the citizenship exams, thus The Preamble lesson. As soon as it was attainable to go anyplace internationally, cash being the one limiting issue, not legal guidelines. IMO, that was a a lot better system. However, it is also necessary to know what drives individuals to maneuver from one place to a different; and within the USA’s case, it is insurance policies are what drive individuals from their lands to hunt alternative inside the USA. So, Trump needs to construct a wall however says nothing concerning the very insurance policies of his and prior administrations that trigger the emigration within the first place.

I like your option to take part, so maintain informing your self and write!

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan eight, 2019 9:04:09 PM | 64

Sure there are various phrases, after which there’s the precise context, and the motion and developments ‘on the bottom’.

On the subject of Trump, keep in mind that expression of concern from Hillary about Trump stepping into energy: What she is claimed to have stated, in accordance with the NBC crew:

“If that fucking bastard wins, we all hang from nooses.”

Hillary was fed the questions earlier than an interview with Matt Lauer, and he requested her an sudden robust query, resulting in her subsequent meltdown.

Okay, so Hillary is just not but hanging from a noose. However now, two years later, the Clinton Basis as a fount of great criminality is now properly established, globally.

And hundreds of thousands of People have observed that whereas prime FBI officers have been fervent opponents of Trump and seem to have dedicated egregious crimes of their of their opposition to Trump (see for instance FISAgate), it’s Trump who has acquired kind of fixed assaults, investigations, condemnations and so on for 2 years, led by former FBI boss M.

That ‘story’ continues to be unfolding, because it have been.

Or think about: Trump in 2012 famously tweeted “got to do something about these missing children grabbed by the perverts. Too many incidents– fast trial death penalty”

I observed that late in 2018 January 2019 was declared by Trump to be “National Slavery and Human Trafficking Prevention Month”

Okay so right here we have now an motion of types, not simply mere phrases, however extremely symbolic motion. And as a part of the context for that, observe that there was a a lot elevated apprehension of predators on youngsters underneath Trump. Here’s a pertinent headline:

“Sex Trafficking Arrests Soar Under Trump; MSM Completely Ignores”

That ‘story’ continues to be creating

Or think about Trump’s musing over the attainable connection of vaccines to autism: Robert Kennedy Jr. was requested by Trump in 2017 to chair a brand new fee on vaccines. Kennedy was interviewed by Tucker Carlson lately with reference to vaccines and informed Tucker that the jiffy interview was solely the second time in ten years he had been given an opportunity on the MSM to speak about vaccines. The interview is nicely value watching for my part.

So right here we have now Trump in impact difficult and making an enemy of an enormously highly effective pharmaceutical ‘mafia’, which as far as I do know is greater than another President has executed. What is going to come of it I do not know however there was an enormous political motion on that entrance in Italy very lately re shoddy requirements concerned in a number of the essential early vaccines.

And this ‘story’ continues to be unfolding. As are many many others.

Posted by: Robert Snefjella | Jan eight, 2019 9:16:20 PM | 65

Have not they figured it out but? John Bolton is absolutely Hillary Klinton in Groucho Glasses.

Posted by: Rabbit | Jan eight, 2019 9:20:42 PM | 66

Snefjella @ 65

Trump’s musings do not matter. When the pharmaceutical worth comes down issues. What’s being finished past criticism?

So right here we’ve Trump in impact difficult and making an enemy of an enormously highly effective pharmaceutical ‘mafia’, which so far as I do know is greater than another President has achieved. What is going to come of it I do not know however there was an enormous political motion on that entrance in Italy very just lately re shoddy requirements concerned in a few of the foremost early vaccines.

Posted by: donkeytale | Jan eight, 2019 9:24:54 PM | 67

All the things Bolton has executed on his current journey to the center East appears to be aimed toward placating Israeli and the American Empire to a totally delusional degree. let’s briefly listing all of the gadgets Bolton has said on this journey alone.

1) He stated that US will stay in Syria so long as Iran can also be in Syria (which successfully means the US occupation can be indefinite, because the US is regularly resupplying the terrorists that Syria requested Iran to assist them defeat).

2) He stated that the US needs to stop the Turks from massacring the Kurds a flagrant insult to Turkey because it principally accuses Turkey of meaning to commit crimes towards humanity – true or not, flat out accusing Turkey of planning a Genocide / ethnic cleaning, goes to enrage Turkey, the US’s main associate in Syria whose’ assist they desperately have to salvage something out of this epic catastrophe/crime

three) Demand that the Kurds do not make any agreements with Damascus AND that the Kurd militias maintain their US gear/weapons, apart from the apparent inane nature of this demand (every week in the past the US stated they have been going to desert the Kurds and that the Turks might have all of northern Syria. Turkey won’t ever settle for Armed, unbiased Kurdish teams working in Northern Syria – they could settle for Kurds beneath the management of Damascus, however by no means an wholly unbiased armed drive – even now Turkey is threatening to invade and ONLY the presence of Syria and Russia troops is discouraging them). this demand additionally exhibits that the US curiosity within the Kurds is solely based mostly across the US utilizing them because the respectable cannon fodder to wash up their messes (ISIS and the opposite terrorist teams are the non-respectable cannon fodder the US makes use of to create messes to justify their presence within the first place) and that their principally involved with dropping all the weapons and equipement they’ve provided them with (I additionally think about that in the event that they turned these weapons over to Damascus, they might checked the Serial # of those provides and hyperlink them to different weapon caches captured from ISIS and different terrorist teams). given how the People used and deserted the Kurds in Iraq (three occasions within the final three many years, together with simply final yr in Iraq), I can not think about the Kurds will proceed to be blind to the clearly disastrous penalties of listening to the US’s recommendation.

four) Talked about shifting extra US troops in Iraq to make use of them as a speedy response pressure for all the area, i am sorry, however should not Bolton have checked with the Iraqi authorities earlier than saying such a daring plan – they could have an opinion on it, particularly since this transfer can be clearly based mostly on attacking Syria, Iran & Lebanon (Iraqi’s present allies).

I am positive commenters will discover extra good examples, however it’s surprising to see even a hack fool like Bolton, who has by no means been proper about any of his selections on the Center East, blunder about insulting allies that the US desperately wants to assist them. This journey has made Bolton look extra just like the boorish lout the Media accuses Trump of being on the overseas stage, however the media is supporting Bolton on this journey! I do know that Bolton has all the time despised diplomacy, however making insane, inconceivable calls for and necessities like this make me consider the US as much less just like the sluggish, demoralizing decline of the Roman empire and extra like Hitler in his bunker spouting out orders to non-existent divisions on a map that not displays actuality.

Posted by: Kadath | Jan eight, 2019 9:41:02 PM | 68

@68 kadath.. your final line is priceless, lol.. certainly that may be a truthful analogy! thanks..

Posted by: james | Jan eight, 2019 9:53:48 PM | 69