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January 15, 2019

Putin Asks And Trump Delivers – A Record Of All The Good Issues Trump Did For Russia

Slate’s Fred Kaplan writes:

The Washington Publish’s Greg Miller reported Sunday that President Donald Trump’s confiscation of the translator’s notes from a one-on-one dialog with Russian President Vladimir Putin in 2017 was “unusual.” That is incorrect. It was unprecedented. There’s nothing prefer it within the annals of presidential historical past.

Not likely. Different U.S. leaders held lengthy personal conferences with their counterparts with out notes being taken.

When Richard Nixon met Leonid Brezhnev he didn’t even deliver his personal interpreter:

George Szamuely @GeorgeSzamuely – 20:57 utc – 14 Jan 2019

Nixon would meet Brezhnev alone, the one different individual in attendance being Viktor Sukhodrev, the Soviet interpreter. “Our first meeting in the Oval Office was private, except for Viktor Sukhodrev, who, as in 1972, acted as translator.” Nixon on Brezhnev’s 1973 go to. RN, p.878 . Subsequently, the one “notes” that might exist can be these of the Soviet interpreter. Unsure he would have time to make notes and translate and, even when he did so, whether or not these notes can be housed in any US archive.

Nixon’s White Home workplace was bugged. There are in all probability tape recordings of the talks. There may additionally be recordings of the Trump-Putin talks.

At their 1986 Reykjavik summit Ronald Reagan and Mikhail Gorbachev talked with out their notetakers:

Mr. Reagan and Mr. Gorbachev started their second day of talks with a personal assembly that had been scheduled to final 15 minutes however ran for almost 70 minutes, with solely interpreters current. They met in a small room within the Soviet Mission, with the Soviet chief seated in a small armchair and Mr. Reagan on a settee.

Within the afternoon, they meet alone for somewhat over 20 minutes after which once more for 90 minutes. All advised, the 2 leaders have spent four hours and 51 minutes alone, apart from interpreters, over the 2 days right here.

The archives of the Reykjavik talks don’t embrace any notes of these personal talks.

However, who is aware of, perhaps Nixon and Reagan the place additionally on the Russian payroll, identical to Donald Trump is as we speak.


Solely that Trump is managed by Putin can clarify why the FBI opened a counter-intelligence investigation towards Trump (see part three).

That the FBI brokers concerned within the choice have been avid haters of Russia and of Trump has certainly nothing to do with it. That the opening of a counter-intelligence investigation gave them the authorized capability beneath Obama’s EO12333 to make use of NSA sign intelligence towards Trump is unquestionably irrelevant.

What the FBI individuals actually have been involved about is Trump’s public document of favoring Russia at each nook.

Trump clearly needs higher diplomatic relations with Russia. He’s reluctant to counter its army may. He’s doing his greatest to make it richer. Simply contemplate the headlines under. With all these good issues Trump did for Putin, intense suspicions of Russian affect over him is unquestionably justified.

Trump deploys TANKS to Estonia as NATO builds up HUGE military on Russian border – Categorical, Feb 7 2017

Trump launches assault on Syria with 59 Tomahawk missiles – CNBC, Apr 6 2017

U.S. Rejects Exxon Mobil Bid for Waiver on Russia Sanctions – NYT, Apr 21 2017

Trump to advertise U.S. natgas exports in Russia’s yard – Reuters, Jul three 2017

Trump Urges East Europe to Loosen Russia’s Grip With U.S. Fuel – Bloomberg, Jul 6 2017

Trump indicators invoice approving new sanctions towards Russia – CNN, Aug three, 2017

Justice Dept Asks Russia’s RT to Register as Overseas Agent – Newsmax, Sep 13 2017

US ‘to limit Russian army flights over America’ – Unbiased, Sep 26 2017

Trump indicators into regulation U.S. authorities ban on Kaspersky Lab software program – Reuters, Dec 12 2017

Trump provides inexperienced mild to promoting deadly arms to Ukraine – The Hill, Dec 20 2017

U.S. Punishes Chechen Chief in New Sanctions Towards Russians – NYT, Dec 20 2017

Sputnik Companion ‘Required To Register’ Underneath U.S. Overseas-Agent Regulation – RFERL, Jan 10 2018

Trump says Russia helps North Korea keep away from sanctions – CBSNews, Jan 17 2018

Trump’s ‘power dominance’ technique is undercutting Russia’s affect and enterprise in Europe – Reuters, Feb 9 2018

Trump seems to be to discourage Russia, China with $686B ask for Pentagon – The Hill, Feb 12 2018

American Common In Syria Confirms US Forces Killed Lots of Of Russians In Large Battle – The Drive, Mar 16 2018

Trump orders expulsion of 60 Russian diplomats, closure of Seattle consulate – CBS, Mar 26 2018

Trump vows periodical dispatch of US troops to Baltic states, step up air protection – Lithuania Tribune, Apr three 2018

Trump opposes Nord Stream II, questions Germany – AA, Apr four 2018

Trump simply hit Russian oligarchs with probably the most aggressive sanctions but – Vice, Apr 6 2018

Trump orders missile strike on Syria army targets – CBSNews, Apr 9 2018

Aluminum Shares Leap As Trump Sanctions Goal Putin Pal – Buyers, Apr 9 2018

Russia ‘deeply disappointed’ at Trump’s withdrawal from Iran deal – Occasions of Israel, Might 9 2018

Trump to NATO allies: Increase army spending to four % of GDP – AlJazeerah, Jul 12 2018

Trump says U.S. ties to NATO ‘very strong’ – Politico, Jul 12 2018

U.S. to sanction Turkey for receiving S-400 missiles – Ahval, Jul 27 2018

Trump administration to hit Russia with new sanctions for Skripal poisoning – NBC Information Aug eight 2018

Area Drive Is Trump’s Reply to New Russian and Chinese language Weapons – FP, Aug 10 2018

US Sanctions Chinese language Entity Over Buy of Russian Fighters, S-400s – Treasury – Sputnik, Sep 20 2018

Trump hints at punitive motion towards India for purchasing S-400 from Russia – India As we speak, Oct 11 2018

Trump Agrees to Increase Pentagon’s Price range to $750 Bln in 2019 – Reviews – Sputnik, Oct 12 2018

Trump says US will withdraw from nuclear arms treaty with Russia – Guardian, Oct 21 2018

Haley Condemns ‘Outrageous’ Russian Firing on Ukrainian Ships – Bloomberg, Nov 26 2018

2 Trump Strikes Value This Russian-American CEO $2.3B – Forbes, Jan 14 2019

When one provides up all these actions one can solely discover that Trump cares extra about Russia, than concerning the U.S. and its NATO allies. Solely with Trump being beneath Putin’s affect, knowingly or unwittingly, might he find yourself doing Russia so many favors.


(Because of Erelis in feedback for additions to the listing.)

Posted by b on January 15, 2019 at 02:12 PM | Permalink

not! good publish b!!! no sarc// code crucial!!! thanks.. all of this craziness defies any kind of logic… sarcasm is an effective response!

Posted by: james | Jan 15, 2019 2:16:18 PM | 1

One other state of affairs that demonstrates how managed the US company press is. It actually does not matter what Trump does, they’ll smear him as an agent of Putin. I might wish to know what number of People consider it.

Posted by: NoOneYouKnow | Jan 15, 2019 2:20:33 PM | 2

b you might want to tweet this Robert Reich perhaps he’ll come to his senses.

Posted by: George Lane | Jan 15, 2019 2:24:53 PM | three

The Russian MoD’s supercomputer enjoying Danger steered that Trump accommodate his supporters.

Posted by: Fec | Jan 15, 2019 2:49:24 PM | four

@ NoOneYouKnow | Jan 15, 2019 2:20:33 PM | 2

In my expertise, nearly everybody right here, together with hordes of supposedly educated individuals who actually ought to know higher, consider it. They actually do. Nevertheless, most of them do not care–it’s merely one thing to snark about or rating factors in a political dialog with, not something they understand as an precise menace to their lifestyle.

Posted by: AshenLight | Jan 15, 2019 three:52:13 PM | 7

It is nothing greater than the timeless legacy of anti-communism and racism thrown in for good measure. It echoes the German Nazis and their remedy of Slavs (slaves, unter menchen). We’d like solely take a look at how the US seen the Japanese (and the Germans) throughout WWII, with Roosevelt calling for his or her extermination (I am going to discover the supply).

And in fact, there’s US slavery and extermination of the unique inhabitants that additionally feeds into the psychosis.

Posted by: William Bowles | Jan 15, 2019 four:01:45 PM | eight

However, Rachel Maddow advised me that Trump is Putin’s puppet. It was on TV, so it have to be true.

Posted by: Peter VE | Jan 15, 2019 four:12:40 PM | 9

William Bowles eight
London was stated to be very subdued the day information got here by way of that Sweden’s Charles the twelth had been crushed at Poltava in 1709 . North Western European financial pursuits have clashed with Russian throughout many centuries .

Had Charles been profitable within the Ukraine a brand new degree of English and Swedish alliance was within the offing .

Posted by: ashley albanese | Jan 15, 2019 four:19:37 PM | 10

I simply examine Trump’s AG candidate, commenting on the ‘Russian interference’ in US elections ….and i am struck that these usually are not silly individuals….they’re both completely IGNORANT of the details and evaluation …..or they’re good ol boys, able to tow the deep state lie, in order that they can also feed on the trough. It saddens me in both case ….what hope can one entertain when such cretins and low lifes are the supposed LEADERS of the democratic west. I maintain no hopes.

Posted by: James sullivan | Jan 15, 2019 four:22:27 PM | 11

Thanks b

However, however, however, how are the trolls round right here going to spin this or are they only going to disregard it?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 15, 2019 four:25:14 PM | 12

Proof by absurdity

Trump and Deep State work collectively. MAGA is a coverage selection as a lot as it’s a marketing campaign slogan.

Everybody needs to rail towards the anti-Trump forces. Oh it feels so good. That Trump has confirmed to be a fake populist like Obama is ignored. WTF?

Welcome to the rabbit gap.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 15, 2019 four:48:13 PM | 13

I did not reside by means of your complete Anti-Communist Campaign, however was definitely cognitively conscious of it from JFK’s inauguration in 1961 till the united states’s dissolution. I very intently studied the occasions that led to an emergent Russian Federation and the gadget meant to corral the “Near-Abroad”–The Commonwealth of Unbiased States. Admittedly, I used to be considerably horrified by Yeltsin’s assault on Russia’s Duma’s White Home in 1993 and eagerly learn Kargalitsky’s account because it was the one one written by a Parliamentarian in English and revealed in 1994. It was potential to discern the outright looting of Russia and former Soviet nations, however the depth of evil concerned wasn’t made clear till some publications within the late 1990s documenting the Rape of Russia; all of which made clear what the underlying intent of the Anti-Communist Campaign entailed, and that that Campaign would not finish till Russia was completely damaged and enslaved by NATO/Outlaw US Empire. As many have opined, the Chilly Conflict/Anti-Communist Campaign by no means ended; quite, it simply entered a brand new part/chapter, and that is what we’re dwelling via right now. However as b portrays, the extent of hysterics paraded by way of BigLie Media go far past something from the earlier chapter and doubtless outweigh these employed throughout Purple Scares I and II mixed.

It appears pretty plain to see that delusional insanity and anger have mixed because the motivating elements, however why/what sparked them and when? IMO, when was throughout Carter’s presidency with the why/what being a number of seemingly disparate however related happenings: Church Committee Hearings; Stagflation; Iranian Islamic Revolution; OPEC actions; dropping grip on Latin America; casual finish to Struggle on Poverty, and establishment of Neoliberalism and Zerosumism; altering of Coldwarrior Guard to Israel First Coldwarrior Guard. The end result was CIA gaining management of Government with DCI GHW Bush turning into Veep to senile, dementia addled POTUS Reagan.

Interconnected with the above is the prepping of the World Commerce Middle buildings for demolition throughout Clinton’s 2nd time period, the operative query being: Would the False Flag be perpetrated by Gore/Liberman, or was Bush/Cheney deemed to do the deed by Deep State actors; or does this facet even matter–Liberman was as a lot of a Neocon as Cheney, all four are Israel Firsters, and Gore was already a Conflict Felony resulting from his participation in Clinton’s quite a few illegalities. Positive, the Bush/Cheney cabal was extra radical; however given what we noticed throughout Clinton/Gore, Deep State help was fairly ample. The dismemberment of Yugoslavia was completed and Kosovo created, Afghanistan was already focused and Joint Imaginative and prescient 2010–the blueprint for the Outlaw US Empire’s Full Spectrum Dominance Coverage–was revealed in 1996. Apparently, at no time recognized to me has the Coverage articulated by the authors of Joint Imaginative and prescient 2010 or its replace Joint Imaginative and prescient 2020 been introduced by any POTUS or senior member of the Duopoly as THE #1 coverage aim of the Outlaw US Empire regardless of each papers being obtainable to the general public. (If he have been nonetheless alive, IF Stone would have written about each umpteen numbers of occasions; whereas true to type, BigLie media stays 100% mute.) Regardless of all of the preparations and Trillions of dollars spent and looted, The failure to implement the Yinon Plan appears to be directed at Russia, though it was indigenous Iraqis who’re liable for the plan’s defeat.

So, is the mendacity vitriol we’re subjected to the results of Russian actions or the lack to achieve the #1 coverage aim on account of errors made in any respect levels–Deep State and Federal Authorities? Recall that Russia/Putin did not begin to actively parry Outlaw Empire strikes till 2008, nicely after the Yinon Plan’s defeat by Iraqis.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 15, 2019 four:54:00 PM | 14

This inane narrative has gone too far. It is truly threatening possibilities for human survival with its nationalism, poor focus, and banality:

“The key focus of the so-called “left” on the planet’s most polluting nation, run by an ecocidal vandal who deserves to be within the operating for many damaging rulers of all time, is whether or not or not that vandal is taking orders from the Russian Federation.

Let me repeat that: in probably the most wasteful society in human historical past, the forces designated to oppose the rape of the planet and company slavery are involved with treason and betrayal of the “nation.”

MSNBC: “The worst case scenario that we`ve all been talking about, which is the possibility that the president had somehow been co-opted and was in the pocket of the Russians.”

THIS is the “worst case scenario” in response to the “social justice” community of the American “left?”

If we have been to step again and take a look at this horrible state of affairs truthfully, we might solely conclude that American liberals, and the Democratic Celebration, are proper-wing nationalist forces involved with geopolitical gambits and preservation of army alliances.

This is not the politics of 2019, or 1999. It is the politics of 1819 – however even then, it is the fitting wing politics of 1819, as there was already a left devoted to well-liked solidarity and social possession present, clandestinely, within the shadows of European cities.

It is value analyzing how a “Seattle” would play out if it have been to happen within the context of at the moment’s US political discourse: the protestors can be seen as nationalist anti-Semites doing the bidding of Putin, and maybe Xi Jinping. The leaking of the Multilateral Settlement on Funding can be condemned immediately as “information warfare.” A concentrate on environmental points can be seen within the context of “energy geopolitics.” Indymedia can be shut down by the authorities as a car for “sowing discord” in Europe towards NATO and liberalism.”

Posted by: Blooming Barricade | Jan 15, 2019 5:02:35 PM | 15

The present spherical of bullshit just isn’t about justifying the investigation, it’s about concealing Mi6 taking a number one position within the tried coup.

Posted by: Anon | Jan 15, 2019 5:08:17 PM | 16

@14 karlof1… good submit.. i do not know the reply to your questions, however it looks like a little bit of each however principally the later… i’m unaware of this joint imaginative and prescient 2010 paper..

Posted by: james | Jan 15, 2019 5:09:32 PM | 17

As b factors out, and Erelis @6, amongst others confirms, Kaplan’s article in Slate is nugatory. Discredited by every little thing that has occurred over the previous two years.
The query is whether or not it issues. Who reads Slate? Are those that comply with Kaplan something greater than partisans, far past the attain of logical argument, dedicated to the Zionist challenge and US hegemony, who learn him for consolation and laughs somewhat than critically.
Kaplan, after twenty odd years of persistently being flawed and persistently impelling america into overseas disasters, pricey in lives and treasure, is a busted flush politically. The one individuals his ravings impact are the true believers who’re merely on the lookout for somebody to articulate their idiotic prejudices.
This, in any case is a person whose spouse, an Obama/ Clinton favorite, parodying Marie Antionette, midwifed the Bandera Reich in Kiev.
There’s little level in arguing with him, simply feed him ever extra rope and he’ll grasp himself, his partner, his nation(s) and the Ukraine and its allies too.

Posted by: bevin | Jan 15, 2019 5:15:14 PM | 18

It’s posts like yours Jackrabbit that give 13 a nasty identify.

Posted by: bevin | Jan 15, 2019 5:16:39 PM | 19

We’re being performed

Pat Buchanan will get it (ht Zerohedge): Is”>″>Is Bolton Steering Trump into Warfare with Iran?

There are different indicators a confrontation is coming quickly. The U.S. has objected to Iran’s pending launch of two area satellites, saying these seem like exams of missiles designed to ship nuclear warheads….

Briefly, forces are shifting on this nation and in Israel to convey a few U.S. confrontation with Iran — earlier than our troops depart Syria [NYT says troop withdrawal is estimated to take 4-6 months].

However the actual questions right here will not be about Bolton or Pompeo.

They’re about Trump.

We noticed the very same dynamic when Obama was the populist hero. As Obama betrayed his base and acted towards what individuals had anticipated from him, Obamabots insisted that Obama was enjoying 11-dimensional chess and that their hero’s intentions have been pure. It was all bullshit.

Trump introduced on Nikki Haley, Bolton, and Pompeo. Trump nominated Gina Haspel, acolyte of his supposed nemesis Brennan, for CIA director. Trump authorised termination of JCPOA.

And Trump’s administration claims to have defeated ISIS. They are saying that USA actions have been answerable for 99% of the anti-ISIS effort. Why make such a declare after Trump stated in his marketing campaign: “Let Russia take care of ISIS”? My greatest guess: They need to painting themselves because the ‘good man’ to Western audiences and once they act towards Syria sooner or later, they’ll try and persuade the Syrian folks that the ‘Assad should go’ Coalition was answerable for eliminating ISIS.

And Trump’s duplicity extends past Russia and Syria. He pretended to make a peace cope with North Korea however refuses to finish it. He railed towards TPP however included TPP provisions within the new North America free-commerce settlement. He stated he would prosecute Hillary however backed inside days of being elected saying: “the Clintons have been through enough” (what have they been via?!?), he stated he would “drain the swamp” however has added to it, he put Jared Kushner – a supporter of unlawful settlement constructing – in command of Israeli-Palestinian peace efforts, and so on.

Welcome to the rabbit gap.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 15, 2019 5:24:49 PM | 20

Jackrabbit | Jan 15, 2019 5:24:49 PM | 20

We noticed the very same dynamic when Obama was the populist hero. As Obama betrayed his base and acted towards what individuals had anticipated from him, Obamabots insisted that Obama was enjoying 11-dimensional chess and that their hero’s intentions have been pure. It was all bullshit.

It was apparent from jumpstreet what Obama was all about! I by no means for as soon as believed something he stated however I checked out what he did. A gangster from Chicago. In some respects he was a black Carter, designed to behave as an interregnum. It was Carter who kickstarted the occupation of Afghanistan. It was Carter who bumped up the nuclear weapons programme.

Trump is only a bare model of each prior US prez.

Posted by: William Bowles | Jan 15, 2019 5:46:38 PM | 22

William Bowles @22:

Trump is only a bare model of each prior US prez.
It is rather uncommon for a populist to win workplace in USA. I might say that at present it’s nearly unattainable because of the cash-based mostly US electoral system. As soon as this reality is known, it turns into clear that BOTH Trump and Obama are every fake populists.

The fake populist chief mannequin is definitely properly fitted to an inverted totalitarian authorities like USA. And I’ve beforehand described a variety of parts that make up this mannequin comparable to the necessity for partisans (Obamabots/Trumptards) that vehemently defend the favored hero as he betrays his base whereas bogus accusations from political opponents spark a knee-jerk response within the hero’s base and put together the bottom for the subsequent fake populist chief.

I’ve made a considerable case for Trump’s having been chosen to comply with Obama. I look ahead to any feedback you’ll have relating to that the argument that I’ve set forth.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 15, 2019 6:20:14 PM | 24

@ 24

Kudos for alluding to Wolin, shunned by his Princeton colleagues after publishing Democracy, Inc.

Trump is a black swan summoned by Hillary Clinton.

Sadly, the Left has not dealt with the loss properly.

See Ted Koppel above.

Posted by: Fec | Jan 15, 2019 6:33:16 PM | 25

@ Jackrabbit | Jan 15, 2019 6:20:14 PM | 24

Trump campaigned as a populist, the principal time the time period applies, and in addition as president. Witness the present deadlock over a border wall which is an attraction to the abnormal individuals who elected Trump, and he typically wears that foolish MAGA cap which appeals to his citizens.

populist: an individual, particularly a politician, who strives to attraction to atypical individuals who really feel that their considerations are disregarded by established elite teams.

Trump on the marketing campaign path was a populist as you admit at your hyperlink: “Trump was the ONLY populist on the Republican side (out of 19 contenders!).” That is how he acquired nominated after which elected in an enormous upset, interesting to strange individuals which the opposite candidates could not do. Trump wasn’t chosen by anyone, however he was (and is) ridiculed by many.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 15, 2019 7:27:41 PM | 26

Come now, Trump closed down the federal government to please Putin.

What might be a greater present to Putin than the closing of the US gov?…but the “resistance” says nothing – why?

Posted by: Babyl-on | Jan 15, 2019 7:51:44 PM | 27

Given the half we find out about how self serving, corrupt and incompetent our IC is I worry it’s the tip of the iceberg. So many many years they’ve discovered they will do as they may with impunity. If I’m not mistaken they’re partly self financing via probably unlawful and unethical actions. They’ve gone rogue. Presently the dems assume it is becoming nevertheless they may even really feel the chew. How will we ever achieve management of our nation.

Posted by: Jared | Jan 15, 2019 eight:06:04 PM | 28

Don Bacon @26:

How Trump and Obama acquired elected is obvious. However simply because they ran as populists doesn’t suggest that they’ve a populist agenda. I feel I have been fairly clear that they’ve every made selections and brought actions that furthered the institution over the individuals.

And operating as a populist doesn’t suggest an automated ‘win’. For instance, voters are going to be skeptical concerning the motives of a billionaire operating for workplace, query the power of a novice politician, and be distrustful of a person who has had three wives and four bankruptcies.

In 2008, the Deep State wanted to “turn the page” from Bushes militarism and Obama embodied that “change”. In 2016, the Deep State wanted a nationalist that would revive patriotism in an effort to meet the problem from Russia and China. I do not assume this was unintentional.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 15, 2019 eight:22:18 PM | 29

That are extra salient–domestically: The assaults on Russia or these towards Trump? A lot of Trumpian, GOP and Company Democrat coverage ploys go towards nearly all of the polity and the Nationwide Curiosity. Sadly, the bloc referred to as the Resistance features a fifth Column consisting of most Company Democrats, who’re primarily Republicans sporting donkey heads. BigLie Media needs to advertise the GOP & Company Democrat coverage ploys, so the anti-Russian information assault serves to cowl-up common home points, like this one relating to taxation and associated revenue disparity. (Superb that 60 Minutes offered Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez airtime to stipulate her proposals–airtime that was meant to chop her right down to measurement however backfired.)

As I outlined earlier, what I see because the wrestle is for management of the Federal Authorities–CIA/Deep State vs the American Individuals–with the Anti-Communist Campaign used as cowl to decrease rights whereas enriching actors controlling authorities, which is strictly what we see now. Sure, Trump’s a participant, however with few pals and little teaching. Arguably, his solely asset is the place he occupies.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 15, 2019 eight:29:05 PM | 30

@ karlof1 | Jan 15, 2019 eight:29:05 PM | 30
That are extra salient–domestically: The assaults on Russia or these towards Trump?
In fact the assaults towards Trump by the institution are extra necessary, designed to convey him down. The American individuals have been conditioned by the press in American Exceptionalism, in order that they anticipate that these individuals on the planet who weren’t clever sufficient to be born People should endure for it particularly if they’re — yuk — Russian. So something the US authorities does towards Russia is accepted as a given, no huge deal, run-of-the-mill.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 15, 2019 eight:53:38 PM | 31


In accordance with Wolin, home and overseas affairs objectives are every necessary and on parallel tracks, as summarized at Wikipedia, the USA has two foremost totalizing dynamics:The primary, directed outward, finds its expression within the international Struggle on Terror and within the Bush Doctrine that the USA has the best to launch preemptive wars. This quantities to america seeing as illegitimate the try by any state to withstand its domination.

The second dynamic, directed inward, includes the subjection of the mass of the populace to financial “rationalization”, with continuous “downsizing” and “outsourcing” of jobs overseas and dismantling of what stays of the welfare state created by President Franklin D. Roosevelt’s New Deal and President Lyndon B. Johnson’s Nice Society. Neoliberalism is an integral element of inverted totalitarianism. The state of insecurity by which this locations the general public serves the helpful perform of creating individuals really feel helpless, subsequently making it much less possible they’ll turn into politically lively and thus serving to keep the primary dynamic.

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Wolin’s Inverted Totalitarianism supplies the bottom work for my suspicions relating to fake populists Obama and Trump:

Through the use of managerial strategies and creating administration of elections, the democracy of the USA has grow to be sanitized of political participation, subsequently managed democracy is “a political form in which governments are legitimated by elections that they have learned to control”.

Underneath managed democracy, the citizens is prevented from having a big influence on insurance policies adopted by the state due to the opinion development and manipulation carried out by the use of know-how, social science, contracts and company subsidies.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 15, 2019 9:31:08 PM | 32

@30 karlof1.. it’s sort of a 2 pronged factor… like a left proper punch aimed to eliminate him, or hold him in line..

i agree with don @31…exceptionalism is a illness that has a definite usa ring to it.. not everyone seems to be suseptible to it, however method too many are and the msm feeds it by by no means shining any mild on something outdoors of the usa… usa is indoctrinated into it is personal 24/7 and has no idea of what’s occurring outdoors itself and – even worse – does not have any curiosity.. they’ve been advised they’re the best… why would anybody have to find out about what is occurring outdoors the usa when you’ve been advised yours is the best nation and all nice issues occur inside your bubble? and that is the rationale why so many need to come to this nice land too… it’s a nice indoctrination factor constructed into the collective psyche..

that the usa is on a downhill slope and taking place could be very clear… whether or not trump hangs in for the time period or does one other one, is of little consequence.. the usa is on a downhill slope shifting in the direction of a uni-polar world whether or not it might match that in with it is exceptionalism or not..

Posted by: james | Jan 15, 2019 9:32:26 PM | 33

totalitarianism sounds about proper… they may nonetheless name it democracy within the msm although..

Posted by: james | Jan 15, 2019 9:37:46 PM | 34

@ james | Jan 15, 2019 9:32:26 PM | 33
that the usa is on a downhill slope and taking place could be very clear
However that is completely okay with me if it means much less struggle. Fewer males ladies and youngsters killed by aerial bombing, much less displacement, fewer crippling accidents, bodily and psychological.
shifting in the direction of a uni-polar world
I feel you meant multi-polar, which can also be a great factor. That is the easiest way our communities perform, and likewise for the world group.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 15, 2019 9:52:29 PM | 36

When is Trump’s “delivering” for Israel (i.e. not Russia) going to be examined?

Ah, sorry, that is not allowed – proper?

No less than, so the ADL racketeers all the time inform us…….

Posted by: hihi | Jan 15, 2019 9:56:56 PM | 37

@ hihi | Jan 15, 2019 9:56:56 PM | 37
When is Trump’s “delivering” for Israel (i.e. not Russia) going to be examined?
Let’s look at it — Trump is delivering a crushing defeat to Israel by backing out of Syria, and thereby conceding the “Shia Crescent” to Iran, backed by Russia and Turkey.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 15, 2019 10:04:06 PM | 38

Thanks b that units out the character of the good distraction and the clear BS that it represents. So now that USAians can see the nonsense might they please get on with the substance of creating change and making USA nice once more by taking to the streets. Its about time for a big wage improve and dropping taxes that influence on low to medium wage individuals.

Given the particular position performed by France within the USA wrestle for independence, its about time the the Gillet Jaune manifested within the USA. The low and center revenue individuals already Occupy the nation so now they need to demand reform. These few previous and new progressive leftish congresscritters ought to don the yellow vest and meet their allies on the road corners for discussions and speak of fairness and wage and tax justice. Its Guidelines for Radicals time or its going nowhere time. Will they select? Might I recommend the primary Rule for Radicals could possibly be the sporting of a yellow vest by the Congressional and Senate supporters of wage and tax justice on the subsequent and all subsequent pressers and attendances.

If not I collect they’ve all guzzled the cool assist and are content material with the noise emitted from the good distractor.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 15, 2019 10:36:05 PM | 39

I’ve made a considerable case for Trump’s having been chosen to comply with Obama. I sit up for any feedback you might have relating to that the argument that I’ve set forth.
Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 15, 2019 6:20:14 PM | 24

That was a joke, proper?
Anybody so hampered by dotage that he forgets, a number of occasions a day, that he is already repeated the substance of his ‘latest’ meme a number of occasions in the identical thread, and a majority of others, ought to in all probability contemplate getting an excellent night time’s sleep as an anti-dote.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jan 15, 2019 10:48:23 PM | 40

Trump, in contrast to his detractors, is an Previous Canine with a limiteless provide of New Tips.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jan 15, 2019 10:58:52 PM | 41

Hoarsewhisperer @40

As individuals talk about totally different variations of the canine and pony present, I tailor my level(s) accordingly.


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 15, 2019 11:00:07 PM | 42

Don Bacon | Jan 15, 2019 10:04:06 PM | 38

“crushing defeat”? what utter provocative BS Don! Trump withdrawal leaves all of the native belligerents and malign Syria haters to do the job any approach they want. This fantasy that Trump has deserted Israel’s regional domination is completely unsupported by reality and sounds to me like a typical AIPAC alarmist trope.

Trump has being saying for some years now that others have to shoulder the burden.

Lets take a look at what the burden in Syria is we could. Not solely does USA give billions to Israel to ensure the colony nevertheless it additionally fights its wars for it in Syria. Then there are all these charities elevating cash within the USA for the IDF. Then there’s all of the armaments transfers by quite a few clandestine channels to go choppers making an attempt to destroy the Syrian individuals’s authorities and society. Lots of these armaments transfers are paid with by USA black dollars probably to be accounted for in that $21 trillion fund that the USA Protection Division has been wallowing in.

It’s bleedingly apparent to me that Israel in not being crushingly defeated by anybody. Syria almost was!!!!!

When a self professed progressive nation similar to Israel is incapable of getting on with probably the most religiously numerous border nation as Syria or Lebanon then there’s a hoax someplace within the dialogue. The manifestation of a Shia crescent (a BS straw man)is as a result of the belligerent nations self defeated their allies: the Sunni murderers.

Thoughts you Don, I do not see any Shia crescent, I see a couple of nations bombed and shot to hell desperately making an attempt to determine normalcy of some type BECAUSE of the manipulations of Saudi and Israel governments and their pawns.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 15, 2019 11:00:14 PM | 43

@ uncle tungsten | Jan 15, 2019 11:00:14 PM | 43

Do not simply take it from me. . .

Elijah Magnier
Certainly the Levant is returning to the centre of Center East and world consideration in a stronger place than in 2011. Syria has superior precision missiles that may hit any constructing in Israel. Assad additionally has an air defence system he would have by no means dreamed of earlier than 2011 – because of Israel’s steady violation of its airspace, and its defiance of Russian authority. Hezbollah has constructed bases for its lengthy and medium vary precision missiles within the mountains and has created a bond with Syria that it might by no means have established – if not for the warfare. Iran has established a strategic brotherhood with Syria, because of its position in defeating the regime change plan. . .right here

Alastair Crooke
NATO’s help for the expansion of ISIS has created a bond between Syria and Iraq that no Muslim or Baathist hyperlink might ever have created: Iraq has a “carte blanche” to bomb ISIS places in Syria with out the consent of the Syrian management, and the Iraqi safety forces can stroll into Syria anytime they see match to battle ISIS. The anti-Israel axis has by no means been stronger than it’s right now. That’s the results of 2011-2018 conflict imposed on Syria”. . .right here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 15, 2019 11:19:31 PM | 45

@ uncle tungsten | Jan 15, 2019 11:00:14 PM | 43

And then add to that the present hectic itinerary of pompous Pompeo to elucidate the defeat to eight Center East nations in eight days, highlighted by his feeble pleas to Qatar to hitch with Saudi Arabia towards Iran. Solidity is essential! Pompeo says, to which Qatar which shares an enormous fuel area with Iran gave pompous the center finger. One other issue is the Turkey-Qatar alliance selling the Muslim Brotherhood, anathema to the Saudi despots. This can all shake out, to not the favor of the US-Israel-Saudi axis. That would be the new “normalcy of some sort.”

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 15, 2019 11:28:41 PM | 46

To begin with, if Trump is so dangerous with and Russia, why are you and others right here all the time loving on him, singing his praises and defending him like he is nonetheless a naive schoolboy briefly pants that the large boys are choosing on?

@21 Jackrabbit
Bolton’s not steering Trump into warfare with Iran, Trump employed Bolton so he’d have somebody accountable and take the warmth when he greenlights warfare with Iran and issues go dangerous; which they’ll. Trump was an Iran hawk from begin. He is been railing towards Iran since he acquired off the Trump Tower escalator and stepped behind the AIPAC podium.

@43 uncle tungsten
Wow, I imply wow. That is a bull’s eye zinger. DB was actually off the mark.

Posted by: Circe | Jan 15, 2019 11:46:02 PM | 47

Aye…it is with and for Russia

Posted by: Circe | Jan 15, 2019 11:48:54 PM | 48

@36 don b… sure – multi polar, lol… and sure – much less struggle can be an excellent factor.. we’re on the identical web page..

Posted by: james | Jan 15, 2019 11:58:10 PM | 49

@ Circe | Jan 15, 2019 11:46:02 PM | 47
DB was actually off the mark.
How so?

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 16, 2019 12:03:42 AM | 50

@45 DB

Yeah, and Israel nonetheless has some of the highly effective arsenals on the earth funded to the tune of $38 billion, the most important help package deal to Israel in U.S. historical past delivered by Trump. and Israel has tons of of nukes, nonetheless occupies Palestine and the Golan Heights, and nonetheless has the Empire’s bases the place it needs them, and now has the GCC in its nook all in, and Trump has delivered on so many guarantees already: tearing up the Iran deal, defunding assist to Palestinians, closing the Palestinians D.C. mission workplace, shifting the U.S. Embassy and declaring Jerusalem capital of Israel, and sabotaging a Decision on the U.N condemning settlements when he wasn’t even President but. Poor Israel, so deserted by Trump…NOT.

Posted by: Circe | Jan 16, 2019 12:10:26 AM | 51

Jared @28–

You ask the query: “How will we ever gain control of our country.”

As psychohistorian intones, personal monetary casinos and their ilk have to turn out to be public utilities to fund public actions and shield the assets on which they’re based mostly, whereas the political/philosophical change to create that paradigm metes our justice and cleans The Swamp. To find the veracity of our prescription, one want solely learn Michael Hudson’s works, though there’re others we’d additionally cite. Primarily, the Creditor Class and their allies–which have existed for a number of thousand years–constitute an actual life Hydra that have to be slain, as was acknowledged by the Greeks who first informed the entire story.

In fact, the top is way simpler than the street to get there. However because the polling hyperlink I offered upthread and others present, the general public is roused and of larger solidarity for the primary time this century. Why do ya assume the Deep State’s making an attempt so arduous to restrict and falsify info I an overt method!

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 16, 2019 12:11:28 AM | 52

@ Circe | Jan 16, 2019 12:10:26 AM | 51
Poor Israel, so deserted by Trump…NOT.
I by no means stated Israel was deserted by Trump, so I used to be by no means “really off the mark,” was I. If Trump is doing any abandoning anyplace, it is in Syria, Israel’s enemy, now stronger as a consequence of Obama’s mistake, considered one of many. Trump is a late arrival.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 16, 2019 12:24:26 AM | 53

Don Bacon

Aren’t you getting a bit forward of your self. US troops are nonetheless there. NY Occasions says the ‘pull out’ is predicted to take four-6 months.

What number of occasions has US been rumored to be leaving Afghanistan?

US nonetheless has troops in Iraq! Years after Obama was pressured (sure, pressured) to take away the majority of the forces in that nation.

And what good is the ‘pull out’ if US retains mercenaries/particular forces within the nation to battle with SDF? The plan appears to be retain management of Syrian territory by way of proxies. There’s NO TALK of a hand over to SAA.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 16, 2019 12:25:38 AM | 54

karlof1 | Jan 16, 2019 12:11:28 AM | 52

Thanks karlof1 I’ll discover that Michael Hudson hyperlink it seems to be good from first scan.

Usually: I do not do graphics however I feel a statue of liberty with a yellow vest can be a great theme for a behind the scenes ‘competitors’ submitted by way of e-mail to b (if prepared) then revealed right here for a dialogue and ‘vote’ can be an ideal assist to mirth. I will not be in your revolution if I can not dance – type of factor. Perhaps its been achieved by now ?

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 16, 2019 12:39:23 AM | 55

james @33–

I not often harangue at US Exceptionalism like I did once I first started commenting right here because it will get in the best way of highlighting different factors, and with me it is a priori together with its kin Manifest Future. It also needs to be noticed that each one Imperialist Nations share each to differing levels and turns into a part of Elite “Magic Mirror” persona–Mirror, mirror on the wall; who’s the fairest of all of them…”–generating the deadliest of snobbishness. Once I taught, I took pains to correctly clarify the Outlaw US Empire’s Mythos and present the place it is current in on a regular basis life–The Few; The Proud; The Marines. He is capturing the ball. (You throw the rattling factor; do baseball pitchers shoot their pitch!?)

The Canadian home state of affairs differs from the USA’s in quite a few methods, however it faces the identical forces making an attempt to maintain residents from gaining management over their future and that of their nation. And Canadians share a lot of the identical damaging American baggage. Each nation’s residents would profit by understanding the true nature of their previous which might assist them drastically of their present wrestle.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 16, 2019 12:46:00 AM | 56


@43 uncle tungsten is bang on… for some cause – perhaps it is advisable to learn a tao te ching verse earlier than i say this to you! – you’ll be able to’t significantly consider trump has modified his fealty to israel? that’s simply not the truth as i see it.. the entire of the usa institution are utterly subservient to israel.. check out trumps daughter and son in regulation.. what the fuck is that?

trump can also be completely down with struggle on iran.. why is that? was just a little zionist birdie speaking in his ear, or not? positive seems to be like 24/7 fealty to israel is spite of no matter bullshit trump is tweeting about..

Posted by: james | Jan 16, 2019 12:53:39 AM | 57

@56 karlof1… thanks.. i agree with you and see what you’re saying… it appears although on one small degree canucks will not be all the time considering we’re the fucking biggest.. that’s the one distinction i might level to.. so if that is not exceptionalism rearing it is ugly head, i do not know what to name it.. different then that – i agree with you and that i suppose your level is that the idea of exceptionalism is simply one other distraction..

Posted by: james | Jan 16, 2019 12:56:35 AM | 58

@ karlof1 with the hat tip about gaining management of “our” nation….thanks.

I’m with uncle tungsten with wanting to place a yellow vest on the statue of liberty and particularly the dance half as a result of I already do this twice every week. I additionally need to see it on the tower of london, someplace in rome, fluttering within the Swiss alps, in china close to the sacred metropolis, in Russia, in India…… get the image.

We’re getting into that cleft of time the place psychohistorian is suppose to wave its magic wand and drastically scale back the time earlier than “real change”. Okay, so I did that. However that also signifies that others might want to play their roles as nicely for the change to happen. All of us have to proceed the zombie awakening in order that when the time comes for “we the people” to make a collective “sound”, it comes out as lovely music that we will all dance to.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 16, 2019 1:01:51 AM | 59

uncle tungsten @55–

This can be a good place to start at Hudson’s website because it explains an ideal many issues concerning the current previous and current. I might recommend this web page subsequent. His opus, Tremendous Imperialism: The Financial Technique of American Empire should be in each respectable library, for which the movies right here present a little bit of context. If I add one other hyperlink, this is perhaps construed as spam, so I am going to additionally extremely recommend Life & Thought: An Autobiography from final August. Take pleasure in!

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 16, 2019 1:06:32 AM | 60

Noticed that Blackwater founder did an interview explaining that they will additionally substitute the position of US troops in Syria.

High quality by me, so long as the US provides no safety or no-fly-zone for them.

Keep in mind the episode the place 100+ Russian contractors have been strafed preventing alongside SAA by USAF? Open season on all weapons for rent. In Afghanistan, too.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jan 16, 2019 1:11:16 AM | 61

psychohistorian | Jan 16, 2019 1:01:51 AM | 59

YES!and a few actually good (brief)5second? video to stream by way of no matter these social media platforms are. One on every of the spiritual icons of no matter can be inviting.

Je suis Gillet Jaune!! is irresistable.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 16, 2019 1:24:46 AM | 62

quote from orlov..

“The fact that what amounts to palace intrigue—the fracas between the White House, the two houses of Congress and a ghoulish grand inquisitor named Mueller—has taken center stage is uncannily reminiscent of various earlier political collapses, such as the disintegration of the Ottoman Empire or of the fall and the consequent beheading of Louis XVI. The fact that Trump, like the Ottoman worthies, stocks his harem with East European women, lends an eerie touch. That said, most people in the US seem blind to the nature of their overlords in a way that the French, with their Gilets Jaunes movement (just as an example) are definitely not.”

Posted by: james | Jan 16, 2019 1:44:10 AM | 63

By now everyone is aware of that Netanyahu asks and Trump delivers. The servility of US politicians and media to Israel is so apparent that they world laughs on the “superpower USA, that is being rough shod” by a toy shit entity referred to as Israel. THE GREATEST TREASON OF ALL “Israel first”

Posted by: Hem Lock | Jan 16, 2019 2:00:43 AM | 64

@ james who quoted Orlov:

That said, most people in the US seem blind to the nature of their overlords in a way that the French, with their Gilets Jaunes movement (just as an example) are definitely not.”

That is a part of the elite massaging of nationalism narratives. There’s nonetheless an excessive amount of “frontier” in America that blind many to not feeling a part of a authorities managed group. I talked to a younger man at the moment with three youngsters and dwelling in a cellular residence on property within the sticks so he does not have issues with neighbors and authorities. I feel I acquired my message throughout once I identified that the roads he drives on to his home, the facility and water he will get are types of socialism and I simply need the instruments of finance to be public-minded like that.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 16, 2019 2:09:25 AM | 65

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 16, 2019 12:11:28 AM | 52

“Essentially, the Creditor Class and their allies–which have existed for several thousand years–constitute a real life Hydra that must be slain, as was recognized by the Greeks who first told the whole story.”

In doing analysis for a dinosaur novel I am planning to put in writing, I used to be happy to study that the function of the hydra sprouting a number of heads to exchange every one severed wasn’t a part of the unique fable, however was added later in the course of the decadent stage of Greek tradition. That historic notion tallies properly with the cultural-financial decadence of this collapsing civilization.

BTW I acquired my copy of Spirit within the Gene and sit up for studying it.

Posted by: Russ | Jan 16, 2019 2:13:40 AM | 66

@65 pyschohistorian.. that may be a good private story of yours from at this time.. it’s a simple analogy and many individuals will perceive it.. one individual at a time perhaps…

Posted by: james | Jan 16, 2019 2:14:40 AM | 67

james | Jan 16, 2019 2:14:40 AM | 67

Multiple individual at a time got here out to listen to Bernie Sanders ship that message. There isn’t a doubt they heard it vaguely by way of the US media however that was sufficient, they got here of their tens of hundreds. Such was the response that the Sanders marketing campaign needed to typically ebook greater venues and truck in additional PA and video gear to broadcast to crowds outdoors.

The yank institution is simply determined to smash any probability of this rising a second time. Come on Bernie and Tulsi Gabbard and all these newly elected placed on the yellow vest. I dare you. Hundreds of thousands of People are prepared. Ditto all through the world hundreds of thousands of individuals are ready to mock the BS color revolutions and have an actual one.

Socialism and ideas of socialist financial administration unfold like pheromones on the wind.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 16, 2019 four:01:01 AM | 68

Its all like dwelling on the movie set of Alice In Wonderland whereas studying 1984 and Courageous New World on the similar time whereas overdosing on chocolate. Simply batshit surreal, and the presstitutes maintain pushing the World to the sting of the abyss of their steady Russia and Putin bashing. And the overwhelming majority within the West are utterly oblivious to what’s going on within the World, and utterly oblivious to what’s coming. And it won’t be nice.

Posted by: Gezzah Potts | Jan 16, 2019 four:39:36 AM | 69

@57 James
Did anybody discover an article copied from the Guardian by Info Clearing Home entitled “Brought to Jesus – the evangelic grip on the Trump administration”? “Pense and Pompeo both call evangelical theology a powerful motivating force”. “Evangelics now see the US locked into a holy war against the forces of evil who they see embodied by Iran”. It’s a by no means-ending wrestle till…. the rapture.” It’s a chilling learn, particularly relating to their perception within the position of Zion. Extraordinarily harmful as a result of solely irrational.

Posted by: Montreal | Jan 16, 2019 5:15:56 AM | 70

Proper on Uncle Tungsten!

Posted by: William Bowles | Jan 16, 2019 5:31:35 AM | 71

Jackrabbit says:

As individuals talk about totally different variations of the canine and pony present, I tailor my level(s) accordingly

your level(s) is tailor-made like a condom…one measurement matches all.

Posted by: john | Jan 16, 2019 5:33:11 AM | 73

psychohistorian says:

I additionally need to see it[yellow vest] on the tower of london, someplace in rome, fluttering within the Swiss alps, in china close to the sacred metropolis, in Russia, in India……..

apparently you missed the truth that an anti-institution, anti-euro(thus threatening international bond markets) authorities was elected right here in Italy final summer time, precluding the need for protests within the streets. for the second you may say we’re driving the avant-garde.

Posted by: john | Jan 16, 2019 5:49:11 AM | 74

@61 NemesisCalling “Saw that Blackwater founder did an interview explaining that they can also replace the role of US troops in Syria.”

They might match the definition of a Mercenary in Article 47 of the Geneva Conventions.
As such they might not be afforded the protections of Geneva Conference III.

“Fine by me, as long as the US offers no protection or no-fly-zone for them.”

I consider that Prince is advocating his personal personal mercenary airforce to offer help for his personal mercenary military. May work so far as floor help goes, however not towards SU-35 fighter jets.

So, sure, if Trump agrees to this proposal then it’s inevitable that he’ll find yourself both offering a no-fly-zone for them or be accused of leaving these courageous, courageous boys to be slaughtered.

I might assume that the Pentagon has informed him that, however I make no assumption that he’s paying that recommendation any consideration.

“Open season on all guns for hire. In Afghanistan, too.”

Nicely, sure, that is what Worldwide Humanitarian Regulation says.

Posted by: Yeah, Proper | Jan 16, 2019 6:11:11 AM | 75

Yeah, Proper | Jan 16, 2019 6:11:11 AM | 74

Trump and Prince are previous buddies

Posted by: William Bowles | Jan 16, 2019 7:11:08 AM | 76